Tuesday, August 22, 2006

Are Mongolians fashionable?

One would think that citizens of a landlocked country with little access to basic items such as wheat would be similarly confined when it comes to fashion. Not so. Mongolians are incredibly fashionable.

I don't mean that Mongolians are wearing knee length shorts, or whatever is trendy in New York right now, but they are very conscious of how they look. UB has a large young population, as anyone who can comes into the city for university, and young people are likely to stay after they finish school. What this means is that you have a huge number of men and women in their late teens, early 20s who are unmarried and have disposable incomes.

The girls tend to wear outfits that people in the US might wear to go out on the weekends, or on special occasions. Women wear high heels almost all the time, and glittery tops are popular, as are short skirts. Men tend to wear button-down shirts and to have a generally sartorial look about them.

Cell phones are the key accessory for any outfit. I bought a used cell phone upon arriving in Mongolia for around $30. It's one of the original Nokia pre-flip phones that everyone used to have, six years ago. It works fine, all the controls are in English, and it gets good reception. Mongolians, however, practically pity me for having such an old phone. People here tend to buy new cell phones about once every six months, and they spend huge amounts of money: many cell phones here cost around $300 -- that's 25% of the average Mongolian's salary. On some level, I'm embarrassed for having such an ugly phone, and I want to say to people "I have a razr at home in New York, I swear!" but, at the same time, being a foreigner here I feel somewhat immune to social mores.

My boss recently, who is in her late 30s, was talking to me about the obsession with clothes and phones here in Mongolia. She was saying that Mongolians by nature are adaptive people; they are nomadic and used to change. They can adopt other cultures very quickly, almost unconsciously. She worries though that the adoption of style and image is occurring on a very superficial level. "I keep thinking they are going to wake up one day," she says, "and realize that they have no sense of who they really are." But then again, she says, maybe they won't. Either way, for now, they look great.

38 Comments:

At 2:11 AM, Blogger Ariel Wyckoff said...

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At 11:38 PM, Blogger anukhatan said...

So what's your point, westerners would prefer to see us in rags?

 
At 1:17 AM, Blogger Naranbayar said...

Hetruuljee
You said too much, man

 
At 11:53 AM, Blogger Dean said...

Hey Ariel,

I like your post man about Mongolians and fashion. I took it to mean that you think the countryside life is different than life in the city. seems simple to me man.

 
At 5:44 AM, Blogger ariel wyckoff said...

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At 5:47 AM, Blogger ariel wyckoff said...

Khetruleegui shuu dee -- ta nar kheterkhii khiddeg shuu dee. Tanii gert khenched khool bakhgui kharin suurtei zaluuchuud odor bur yanziin tsagiig gaduur yavuud teneg 'kontorstraik' toglokh, khereggui mayagtai khutsas avakh kheregtei... buruu shuu dee.

 
At 8:18 PM, Blogger anukhatan said...

ariel -d
sain bna uu, mongol kheleer bichsen setgegdeliig chin unshlaa.
www.sonin.mn ta unshdag uu? tend mongolchuud medee medeeleliin door comment uldeesen bdag tiish ta orvol oortei chin ijilxen boddog khumuustei sanaa bodloo soliltsoj baikh bolno.
mongol khel sain sursan bna shuu, ooriin chin khelj bgaa zuiluud unenii ortoi shuu.
thanks

 
At 10:50 PM, Blogger Ariel Wyckoff said...

Anukhatan-d

Bayarlaa! Bi sain surj shamdsan yagaad gevel ekhneree Mongol emegtei.

Bi ene sonin.mn unshdaggui baisan, kharin kherev ted nar nadtai shig ijilkhen sanaatai baiaval, magadgui odoo uyesh khoish bi uniig unshan.

 
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At 2:03 AM, Blogger Monica said...

Hi, Ariel !
Mongolian people are very kind and friendly! They are worried about you ...or about anybody ... just because they want to help you from heart !!!!
And i feel you didn't meet with anybody, who can think better than you or do anythings better than you !!! Don't forget Mongolians have a huge big heart !!! They are very ...very ...very smart !!!

Best regards
Monica

 
At 2:36 AM, Blogger Chariote said...

Thanks Monica,i appreciate that u have very nice feelings with us.

Hey Ariel man, Mongolian is writing, i have to tell u.We, Mongolians live our lives,so make ur own business and don't worry about our outfits, i hope u have something to do.Coz we never talk about ur dirty hair. hhn. Since u've been in my country u may get the "hhn" mean.bi bas chinii heliig sura gj ih hicheesen shuu.

 
At 2:45 PM, Blogger Bolor said...

to Ariel maaaan!!!

Hey, man. You got too far. Does your Mongolian wife demand too much thing about clothes from you, or is your wife from slum district? Or people around you from the poor? But it doesn,t mean all ger district is poor wholly. There was no such apartment loan system until today in Mongolia It’s no possible to buy house without loan for house in any country. In the result of loan for house, people could get house in Japan. USA and etc. But they bear a heavy burden like loan on their shoulders to the end of their life, unless they don,t work hard. But people from ger district in Mongolia don,t have such heavy burden such as loan for house. May they have small loan for their daily life.
But, recently, such loan system for house is emerging in Mongolia and many people from ger district can get their apartment within few years from today. If so, people living in ger, which you looking down will decrease a lot, you see?

About food, I’m sure me and my family take good food far better than you and your family. Me and people around me can cook very well and take nice, delicious, healthy food. Don,t consider people as the same like you. I,m a gourmet and use a lot of money to my food, fashion and beauty. All the Mongolians aren,t like that u look down on.

To tell the truth, comes to the matter of quality of life, I doubt people in developed countries really have life of good quality. May be public facilities such as road, station and etc. developed well. I live in Japan now. For instance, apartments in Japan are very cold in winter inside of it. There is heater inside, but it can,t make house warm at all generally. Seems public utilities and office are comfortably heated. Why? Only kerocene stove can make warm. But it smells baaad. Wall is very thin generally, seems not used an insulator. And plus, it,s not warm everywhere in a house in Japan, even it,s heated. So, u can say, Japanese can satisfy their basic needs well? They travel usually, nevertheless they can,t satisfy their basic needs (I mean cold house) well. But, it,s warm everywhere in house in Mongolia. They don,t feel cold even in ger. How do u think about this?
Looks like u want to say human have to meet their basic needs such as needs for house, food etc. first, and second is pleasure. But, u see above, Japanese case? For fashion, it,s very possible to dress well not using a lot of money, if u have good taste and expert eyes. I think We Mongolians have high taste of fashion. What,s bad? Fantastic!!!

U said above like they'll always be a few years behind. I don,t think so. Looks like u don,t know about fashion well. I live in Tokyo. It,s said, Tokyo is one of fashion center these days. I go back to my home country every year. Same clothes are in fashion both in Tokyo and in UB always. I,m fashion- conscious too, so I can say that. Plus, there,s difference between them for fashion. Mongolians don,t put on such clothes which doesn,t match well like Japanese. It,s big difference. Mongolians don,t accept every trendy fashion, cuz they are not monkey who copy everything. They dress what they like only. For me, Japanese dress dowdily generally excluding of Shibuya,s young people. And looking so ugly, walk bad, most of them have not good body.
I think Mongolians are fashion- conscious from old time. U can find nice traditional accessories for woman at antique shop, if u go there and its sold there. And traditional dresses are wonderful , but not that one which nomads put on.

About wasting resource, developed countries and large population countries such as China, India etc. are exhausting resource of the world in fact.

At the end, Ariel man, do your own business”!!! It looks like you are evil minded, too pity person. I feel pity for your wife who married with such person just like you. Don,t be jealous of, ok.
I can advice to you how to cook healthy food, how to dress cool, how to learn foreign language well (I can,t understand your comment well in Mongolian) for free.

 
At 2:55 PM, Blogger Bolor said...

to Ariel maaaan!!!

Hey, man. You got too far. Does your Mongolian wife demand too much thing about clothes from you, or is your wife from slum district? Or people around you from the poor? But it doesn,t mean all ger district is poor wholly. There was no such apartment loan system until today in Mongolia It’s no possible to buy house without loan for house in any country. In the result of loan for house, people could get house in Japan. USA and etc. But they bear a heavy burden like loan on their shoulders to the end of their life, unless they don,t work hard. But people from ger district in Mongolia don,t have such heavy burden such as loan for house. May they have small loan for their daily life.
But, recently, such loan system for house is emerging in Mongolia and many people from ger district can get their apartment within few years from today. If so, people living in ger, which you looking down will decrease a lot, you see?

About food, I’m sure me and my family take good food far better than you and your family. Me and people around me can cook very well and take nice, delicious, healthy food. Don,t consider people as the same like you. I,m a gourmet and use a lot of money to my food, fashion and beauty. All the Mongolians aren,t like that u look down on.

To tell the truth, comes to the matter of quality of life, I doubt people in developed countries really have life of good quality. May be public facilities such as road, station and etc. developed well. I live in Japan now. For instance, apartments in Japan are very cold in winter inside of it. There is heater inside, but it can,t make house warm at all generally. Seems public utilities and office are comfortably heated. Why? Only kerocene stove can make warm. But it smells baaad. Wall is very thin generally, seems not used an insulator. And plus, it,s not warm everywhere in a house in Japan, even it,s heated. So, u can say, Japanese can satisfy their basic needs well? They travel usually, nevertheless they can,t satisfy their basic needs (I mean cold house) well. But, it,s warm everywhere in house in Mongolia. They don,t feel cold even in ger. How do u think about this?
Looks like u want to say human have to meet their basic needs such as needs for house, food etc. first, and second is pleasure. But, u see above, Japanese case? For fashion, it,s very possible to dress well not using a lot of money, if u have good taste and expert eyes. I think We Mongolians have high taste of fashion. What,s bad? Fantastic!!!

U said above like they'll always be a few years behind. I don,t think so. Looks like u don,t know about fashion well. I live in Tokyo. It,s said, Tokyo is one of fashion center these days. I go back to my home country every year. Same clothes are in fashion both in Tokyo and in UB always. I,m fashion- conscious too, so I can say that. Plus, there,s difference between them for fashion. Mongolians don,t put on such clothes which doesn,t match well like Japanese. It,s big difference. Mongolians don,t accept every trendy fashion, cuz they are not monkey who copy everything. They dress what they like only. For me, Japanese dress dowdily generally excluding of Shibuya,s young people. And looking so ugly, walk bad, most of them have not good body.
I think Mongolians are fashion- conscious from old time. U can find nice traditional accessories for woman at antique shop, if u go there and its sold there. And traditional dresses are wonderful , but not that one which nomads put on.

About wasting resource, developed countries and large population countries such as China, India etc. are exhausting resource of the world in fact.

At the end, Ariel man, do your own business”!!! It looks like you are evil minded, too pity person. I feel pity for your wife who married with such person just like you. Don,t be jealous of, ok.
I can advice to you how to cook healthy food, how to dress cool, how to learn foreign language well (I can,t understand your comment well in Mongolian) for free.

 
At 3:16 AM, Blogger Bayaraa said...

Hi Ariel.You are telling the truth.Somepeople doesn't understand you,some of them just taking it too serious.Thanks.

 
At 3:19 AM, Blogger Bayaraa said...

Bolor was rude and arrogant

 
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At 8:10 PM, Blogger otgontuul said...

Bi Ariel-iin bichseniig khuleen zovshoorch bn.

!! Tegekhdee, mongolchuud yagaad khuvtsas bolon gadaad uzemj khereglej buu tuildee idekh khool bolon busad oor chukhal kheregtseenees iluu mongo toldog eum bol???

Khervee bi unii neg shaltgaan bol mongold bgaa shudraga bus, kheel khakhuul gej khelvel ta gaikhaj magadgui.

Minii bodloor, onoodor yamar khumuus amjiltand khurch bna. "Kheel khakhuul, tanil tal ikhtei" ni. Iim noloo bukhii ooroon khureeg baiguulakhiin tuld ali bolokh unetei zuils khereglej busdad saikhan setgegdel toruulekh kheregtei boldog.

Ene ni yavj yavj bugdiig gadaad uzemjeer dugnedeg bolj.

Zaluuchuud oortoo bus busdad zoriulj khuvtssaa songoj omsdog.
Neg l jishee khelekhed, ondor osgiitei khatuu gutal oort ni tallagdakhgui bolovch, uuniig l omsvol busdad saikhan kharagda gej boddopg.

 
At 8:17 PM, Blogger trendy said...

It dont hurt to be trendy as long as we spend your money, man! Plus accept the fact that most people who has a nice look have a better job and salary. Because people who care about themselves care every single angle of life and what they do and it make them more succesful than you. So first impression starts with appearance.

 
At 2:20 AM, Blogger mongolianpervert said...

hey Ariel!
Yeah, we Mongolians have such a good taste of fashion.
I agree with ya somehow. Ppl should make money before they spend.

But Mongolia have different levels of ppl as any country.
If you open your eyes you'll see that gap.

Some ppl have good life to spend money for their living expenses.
And they do have their own image even. They have tallent and they really enjoy their life style you know.
So why we should care about that poor ppl hu? it's their own responsibility. well,we car and we working for mongolian development.

But why I can't wear what I like just because I live in less developed country?
By the way, fashion is not only shorts which is fachionable today in New York or Paris. If you think so you are pathetic slowcoach!


Otgontuuld:
HUUE, avilgalchid l saihan huvtsaldag gevel chi tuursun shuvuuhai bna. Chi haashaa yum huvtsaaraa gaduurhagddag yum uu. Cham shig iim bodol sanaatai humuusiig hun yaj hundleh ve dee!
Etsest ni helhed fashion bol mungu ed zuiltei hamaagui,
bas zugeer l neg haragdah tudii zuil bish.
Yu yamar orchind umsuh ni chamaig tuhain uil yavdald yamar bair suuritai baigaag hurtel haruuldag yum shuu. Avilgalchid fadion 2 yamar ch hamaagui. chi saihan huvtsalahad mungu heregte gej bodoj baival hohi chini.

Hund medremj gej yum baidag gej sonssonuu?

Bas medleg ch huvtsas zagvart heregtei badag yum da.
Avilgalchid goy huvtsaldag ch geh shig!!!!!

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger urnaa said...

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At 11:20 AM, Blogger urnaa said...

Hi everyone!
Why is all people getting so serious about Ariel's comment?I
am Mongolian girl and i know how is life over here..
It is a freedom who can write their thoughts or opinions...
Dont be so vulnerable to someone's critisicm.
Also, if you can't write in English properly and grammaticly please just write it in your own language, atleast people can understand what you trying to say to the readers.
Ariel,you should learn Great Mongolian language too if you married one of our girls...
Anyway , be optimistic...
Thanks, Urnaa

 
At 10:31 AM, Blogger Emma said...

Alexa & Arial

Many tend to look down on Mongolians, but why? Some people only spent a year in Mongolia and they think, they know so much about the country. Those people usually deliver wrong message/information about our country to those who have never been to or read about the country. Those people should acknowledge that you have a limited knowledge or experience about our country and try not to deliver false impression of Mongolia. Some articles really make me want to meet the author and share a piece of my mind – The original post by Alexa stated that “The girls tend to wear outfits that people in the US might wear to go out on the weekends, or on special occasions. Women wear high heels almost all the time, and glittery tops are popular, as are short skirts. Men tend to wear button-down shirts and to have a generally sartorial look about them.” Most Americans don’t have sense of fashion, don’t you think it is little unrealistic for you to compare Mongolians with Americans. So, what! Most Mongolians dress better than most Americans daily…you have a problem because????? From your article I see judgment and criticism. You also said, “Mongolians are incredibly fashionable. I don't mean that Mongolians are wearing knee length shorts, or whatever is trendy in New York right now, but they are very conscious of how they look.” Interesting….well I know many, actually so many people in Mongolia who wear knee length shorts, or whatever is trendy in almighty the Big Apple…OHHH Come on!!!! NY & UB, been there, seen them ….I

NO offense…this is my opinion towards yours.

 
At 4:28 PM, Blogger Gerlee said...

Oh. It is really true about Mongolians' dressing. They are too fashionable. Actually it is not important what people are wearing. But those young people don't consider that. They are like born for fancy clothes. I remember that my friend's sister who was from Zawhkan to UB to go to school said my friend, "People would not know what you ate home, but they would see what you are wearing when you are in sight of them." They both from Zawhkan and my friend was extremely fashionable girl. I think that is stupid when you have poor choice of food home, you wear as elegant as Hollywood star.
Mongolchuudaa edeer biye chimeheer erdmeer biye chim gedeg shig, hen ch ta nariig saihan, unetei huwtsaslasan bn geed tsalingii chin nemj, dung chin zasaj, eh oron turulh, hotiig chin uud n tatahgui shuu dee.

 
At 7:16 AM, Blogger chika said...

Hi everyone,
have to say that even tough the article is old , I found it very interesting....lots of interesting opinions and critisicm. I have to check it out, maybe there are some more interesting things....thanks to Alexa

 
At 5:35 PM, Blogger Oldmanmongol said...

Well, the experience is always limited to previous experiences, and a limit always creates next problems that should be solved based on previous and actual experiences. Some might judge what they have seen or experienced in Mongolia, also some others might be arguing what they want to see or experiencing. Actually majority of us poor, and it is obvious that cost of Clothings is comparitevaly high vs. Food in Mongolia. I cannot see any logical link to comment on expensive Cellphones as well as fake fashion brands available in Mongolia. However, there are around 1.2 mln cellphone users throughout Mongolia. An efficient communication was played vital role in the history once. Probably, we are still considering about the importance of being informed and conscious about the happenings around of us. Finally, I was been disputed hard with one of my friend about that there are only few hookers in Mongolia actually, as like any other country around the world. He had opposite position. I was said: If you say to me that all Mongolian girls are whores then with whom are marrying our younger brothers? Guess what his answer...was.

 
At 6:09 PM, Blogger Ian said...

hi there. thanks for the info, and i'm sorry that other people have a problem with what you wrote. i found it very objective and observant.
becca

 
At 5:52 AM, Blogger AnkoKuruyama said...

yoi yu ve?? shal durguu huuregchihle... ariel chi yoron oriigo yu ged bodtson yum be?? mongold 2hon jil bolchod manusiig meddeg boltson yum shig biched bhiin. iihenh mongolchuud amdraliin hitsug meden, hol hiij ger tsevrej baidag humuus. teged ajilin tolbor iih bish teged yadgiin? goi huuvtsalj bolohgu yu? bidnuus chin delguures sain sain huuvtsas avad teged teriige shin huuvtsas avtla buugdin omsdogshte. amerik, angil ntr d bahan humuus huuvtsas gutal tsunh ntr avaah dontoi bdgshte tim bz de? teged bidnuusin tuhai iingej yarj bolohgu shu... iihled oriinho orni tuhai bich zayu. teged bi iihnerichin orovdojiin iim gachin amtan tai gerldegen yaj bga yum be ain?!

 
At 1:44 PM, Blogger ochko said...

i just love the argument of both sides.
Ariel, i argee with some of his statement
And of course i agree with my people, too.
Ariel, i saw your side, but i dont believe that you saw the mongolian side. Even thought i havent been in my country for 7 years, i still notice a lot changes. But teenagers are teenagers. u know what i mean? There are a lot teenagers in America just like in Mongolia. i know that Mongolia spend a lot money on clothes, but here in America, most of them are middle class. And Otgontuul, i agree with your hahuul and all that, people in Mongolia wants to be more better than anyone, but hey everyone in this world just want to be better than anyone right? but i believe that Mongolia have gone too much on hahuul. but i am on both side.

 
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At 7:50 PM, Blogger rikijpn said...

I don't know if they are fashionable, but certainly hot as hell^^. And I live in Japan, I know hot girls!

 
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At 9:15 PM, Blogger enkhee natsag said...

Kind of embarrassing.I guess most of Mongolian are younger and bordering with China.There is every kind of fake goods.I seen Americans generally wear very simple but good quality’s mostly.Dont mind any quality good .stuffs in mongolia.Party cloths wearing simple times kkk.Many people don’t know even what is even inUSA as my sister.Iphone is too expensive to effort to Mongolians.Most of it from HK iPhone.I nephew got my used iPhone7 and compair it with Hk phone.I guess Mongolian fashion obsession is objection are most population is youngsters.Aplle and good quality store one will open and hope

 

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